A Dravidian Atheist’s criticism of Ramayana

My attention is drawn to your posting in WordPress.com.

I offer my comments to your post:

India was an island nation surrounded by seas hence it had the name நாவலந் தீவு.

Is to so? Kindly tell me, where the expression நாவலந் தீவு is found in the ancient Tamil literature or “Sangam” literature?

In such a scenario to claim that a Land Bridge built 1,750.000 years ago when no human being had inhabited the Earth

In haste, you are mentioning as 1,750 years (1,750.000 = 1750).

Paula Richman wrote a book titled “Many Ramayanas” Yes the question before us is to accept which Ramayana as true story?.

You claimed youself as a rationalist / atheist etc. Then, you have to be careful in quoting from secondary sources, because, non-Hindus or anti-Hindus can write anything and quoting such biased ideas make you unbecoming of a “rationalist / atheist”. You should have read H. D. Sankalia also before jumping into the so-called “debate”.

Your mention about Jain / Buddha Ramayanas: As Ramayana has become so popular, even Jains and Buddhists had to imitate Ramayana by changing the story, just like Kulandai. Therefore, there is nothing new in it. As a researcher or scholar or historian, you have to demythologize and find out the truth, instead of relying upon “such myth on myth”, straightaway.

[The biblical Adam and Eve’s story and its resemblance could also be taken note of] Sita becoming a monket after eating a fruit: This shows that either you have not read the story properly or misquoting or rather drawing wrong parallel with the biblical Adam and Eve (don’t try to escape by telling that I am a rationalist and all). I do not know as to whether Eve became monkey to have such forceful comparison!

You furthering the above story: Here, you are perhaps nearing the biblical fables, as Jesus also reportedly married to May Magdelene. Perhaps, you decided to not stretch it.

According to Thais, Hanuman had many affairs and children: Naturally, if the wishes are horses, even blind can fly. Why Thais, even Annba did it. As you are a rationalist and atheist, you quote all these things, so enjoy.Anna’s inconclusive debate on Kamba Ramayanam: “Navalar Somasundara Bharathiar and சொல்லின் செல்வர் R.P.Sethu Pillai debated with Anna and openly admitted they have lost the debate. This debate in Tamil Book “Let Fire Spread” தீ பரவட்டும் wants to illuminate Tamil hearts by symbolically burning Kamba ramayanam. Pulavar Kuzhanthai wrote இராவண காவியம் . Ravana Kavyam  can be considered as Dravidian version of Ramayanam”.No, they were ashamed of the perversity and vulgarity erupted in the name of literary flow and hanged their heads. Any Tamil knowing or reading person would hang his head after reading as it is just like “yellow journalism” circulated under the “Dravidian” banner, that too, coming from Anna, wjo became Chief Minister of Tamilnadu taking oath under the Indian Constitution, that has been written by Ambedkar. Anyway, the facts are as follows:

N The so called debate was held in the auditorium of

Law
College,
Madras on 09-02-1943 under Ramachandra Chettiyar.

N Anna started speaking and took more than one and half hours leaving no time to others.

N Pointing out the falsehood in his speech, R. P. Sethu Pillai openly spoke about his weakness in the argument. In fact, re ridiculed Anna for quoting from “Northern Nehru”, being a “Nakkiran” (one who always finds fault with others). Regretting that he could not speak for long time, he wound up his speech within ten minutes. He dared him that he would even come to Kanchipuram for another debate on the subject matter, if he would invite him.

N Ezattu Adigal, who followed him, was asked to cut short his speech within five minutes.

N Then Srinivasan started speaking, but he was prevented from speaking, as the DK activists created a riot-like condition. He had to stop his speech, because of the pandemonium created by them.

N But, Anna was given a chance to speak again!

N So that was the debate conducted with “freedom of speech” and respect for speakers!

N However, winding up, C. M. Ramachandra Chetti concluded that he could not give his opinion, as the debate had been inconclusive.

The main point discussed was as to whether Ravana was an Aryan or Dravidian. Thus, the first debate had been the most undemocratic conducted under controlled conditions with rioters.

The second debate was conducted on 14-03-1943 at Devanga Padasalai, Sevvaipettai,
Salem. Salem College A. Ramasamy presided over Anna and Somasundara Bharathi spoke.

N Anna spoke as usual taking full time.

N Somasundara Bharathi pointed out that Anna spoke as an orator with brimming emotion not as a debater. He then, however brought out his points refuting Anna;s talk.

N He left, as his speech was over and moreover, he had to catch his train, as plannede by the organizers.

N But, after his departure, Anna was given a chance and he stressed upon Ravana’s race and concluded with the demand of burning “scriptures of Aryans”.

N A. Ramasamy, though did not gave any result about the debate, he pointed out that there was “vulgarity” in Kamba Ramayanam.

In any case, such diverted reference has nothing to do with the “Ramar’s Palam”.

The question before us which of these versions is based on true historical facts. These are not days where everyone will accept anything with blind faith. If you place new facts to reopen a settled issue in history, you should place facts and prove it”.

Yes, yes. Nowadays, everybody can get information easily and they decide about truth behind it.  Even in those days (when Anna debated), the other scholars were not allowed to speak or threatened with dire consequences. In other words, they used their own type of terrorism in those days. Now, let us see, how truth is faced.

Let us examine the falsehoods one by one. We from the Dravidian Movement are atheists but not Ravana; all know that Ravana as per epics is a devotee of Lord Siva. The doubt which arises to me is why should a reincarnation of God perform superhuman deeds to impress demigods? Does it mean that Demigods are more powerful than the Original God on reincarnation?

Interestingly, the answer is there in the so-called above debate, as they debated only about the race of Ravana as to whether he was an Aryan or Dravidian! Rationalist or atheist has to deny such myth. Having believed it as a myth, why one should worry about it as to whether it works or not? Without Ramayana myth, there is no Ravana. If Ramayana is myth, Ravana is also a myth. Then, why debate about his “racist credentials”?

There are many books on Indian Ocean. All these books give us evidences on the continental drift, the submerged lands of the Lemuria, which Tamils prefer to call as the Kumari Kandam”.

Yes, but note again, the western scholars do not believe in such hypotheses. Why them, even Indian eminent historians not only do not accept, but also dub them as myth.

Mr. Nandi Varman, go to Endo-eurasian group and other forums, where Tamil literature is misinterpreted and disrespected. Steve Farmer openly accuses that your friend R. Mathivanan is a foregerer. They go on debate even without knowing the fundamentals of Tamil and Tamil literature. I feel it is better spend your energy there instead of politicizing the issue.

VEDAPRAKASH,Researcher, Chennai.vedamvedaprakash@yahoo.com

7 பதில்கள் to “A Dravidian Atheist’s criticism of Ramayana”

  1. Sivakumar Says:

    my personal thought in ramayana is in ramayana the people in southern part of india is personified as monkeys. Dravidens lives in southern part of india so ramayana is saying that draviden at that time is not well developed? Draviden is the orginal people of india. At that time the aryan know that only draviden got the strength and courage to save sita so it is well planned to sent hanuman to lanka or the aryan test water first before they sent their own aryan armies

    • vedaprakash Says:

      C. V. Vaidya and other scholars have written enough on the subject matter.

      The Vanarasa, Asuras etc., were only human-beings characterized with their qualities.

      The “Aryan-Dravidian” race theory is historically incorrect and therefore, such interpretation need not be brought here.

      • sivakumar Says:

        Then why the demon and the baD ones are always dark in colour fat and ugly. but the good one is always fair and muscular and good looking. What i think is the past the present the future always emphasis in colour not in money

      • vedaprakash Says:

        The unhistorical racial interpretation of Ramayana by the Dravidian ideologists is wrong.

        The anthropological and even genetic studies prove that human-beings of the world have been the same with morphological differences. T

        herefore, again or continuous exploitation of such morphological variance could not bring any solution.

        In Dravidian interpretation, one can note a lot of contradictions and change of stands.

        The universality of poetic trend would be forgotten, when they try to interpret the same politically.

        This is the point.

  2. Edard Hugh Says:

    Edward Hugh has suggested to decipher and decode several secrets or mystified aspects hidden in the Ramayana.

    We welcome his suggestion.

  3. V.V.Subbiah Says:

    I strongly believe that The time Valmiki wrote Ramayana, the Aryans have not crossed the Vindya hills and so Valmiki
    Did not even know the existence of present day Sri Lanka.
    There are many similarities between Homer’s And Valmiki’s.
    In Homer’s Helen was taken away by Paris and there was a war to get back Helen. So Ramayana is a story based on partly on the poet’s imagination and partly some event that took place when Aryans were in in Central Asia,before they moved to India.
    Undoubtedly Ramayana and Mahabaratha are wonderful stories penned by Aryan scholars. The only mistake made by us is to
    Get confused and take these stories as History.Only Greeks had the habit of recording History and not the Aryans and Dravidians.
    V.V.Subbiah

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